tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7041272795548534045.post412215162916418975..comments2023-08-26T03:15:36.194-05:00Comments on Letters from Flyover Country: A darned shameBob Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04422722044859589459noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7041272795548534045.post-7731849869019905532008-01-13T18:41:00.000-06:002008-01-13T18:41:00.000-06:00I know exactly how he feels. I left the Matronics...I know exactly how he feels. I left the Matronics list to go the VAF site years ago when Doug first started it. Scott McDaniels left those lists when he tried to give out honest to goodnes bona fide Van's Aircraft advice to builders but was often criticized or belittled. He works for Van for crying out loud! <BR/><BR/>Now two or three distinct camps or clicks have developed within it. If you are not a member of those clicks, no one will listen to you, no one will take you seriously.<BR/><BR/>I also decided to abandon VAF a few months ago but no took notice. I'm also going to divest myself of everything RV because of something I've found; the guys that fly the old tube and rag planes are a lot more fun to be around. Heck, even the ultra-light guys are more welcoming than any RV shindig I've been to. Over the next few months I'll slowly divest myself of all RV memberships. It's too bad really. The good ol' days are gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7041272795548534045.post-59412772036308524022008-01-10T10:03:00.000-06:002008-01-10T10:03:00.000-06:00Ok, I'm not a builder, but...I wonder if some of t...Ok, I'm not a builder, but...<BR/><BR/>I wonder if some of this kind of thing happens not only because of the overall breakdown in society (which I believe has happened, but I didn't see anything to that degree in the thread, although it may have been expunged before I got there) but simply because the RV fleet has grown so large. <BR/><BR/>With as many completions as there are now, it's not unlikely that new ways of doing tasks that formerly had a "tried and true" method that was accepted as something akin to gospel have emerged. Is there the perception of heresy from some of the old school that might make them a little over sensitive to differing opinion? I'm not saying that happened in this specific case - it's more of a general question.DaveGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015349658680998609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7041272795548534045.post-79682495422805296772008-01-09T17:18:00.000-06:002008-01-09T17:18:00.000-06:00I know how Darwin feels. In the 5 1/2 years it to...I know how Darwin feels. In the 5 1/2 years it took to build my RV-7 I have answered a few peoples questions. I was rewarded in almost every case, not with thanks, but with an antagonistic "that isn't the answer I wanted to hear" attitude.<BR/><BR/>For the most part I only answer questions off-group and direct for that reason. I think the Internet and politics is the death of civilization and civility in the world today.<BR/><BR/>Bob, I would hate to see you give up the barbeque, but I certainly can understand the reasons why. Forge on with your project and don't let "them" beat you down.<BR/><BR/>Kevin Faris N426KF Flying, weather permittingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7041272795548534045.post-55031145522359668032008-01-09T11:10:00.000-06:002008-01-09T11:10:00.000-06:00I read your post at the Yahoo RV group, which led ...I read your post at the Yahoo RV group, which led me to your blog. I did not read the thread you were referencing but it does not take much of an imagination to visualize its contents. Some where, along the way to newer technology, we have lost the ability to communicate our ideas, beliefs and concerns clearly and civilly. <BR/><BR/>Maybe it is the media. If I were talking to you face to face, there would be as much communication via my face and body as there was my spoken word. While computer technology gives me a larger audience, it does not give me the necessary feedback that tends to ensure I am not misunderstood.<BR/><BR/>Maybe it is the people. In some cases, their typed message is worded in a fashion that seems, or is read, with more intensity or meaning than is really intended. Others may try to type “tongue in cheek” that is a misunderstood attempt at humor. Unfortunately, many can be described as poisonous. They do mean to communicate in the fashion and method they employ.<BR/><BR/>Maybe it is our culture and society. They have both moved decidedly to the poisonous communication method. Turn on just about any talk show, news show or featured interview and you can see it everyday. Talking heads shout at each other, interrupt each other and, generally speaking, are just rude. Those conducting interviews exhibit the same behavior. Even NPR has moved closer to that model. For example after Bob Edwards was replaced the tone of Morning Edition has changed to one of confrontation, more of a “Foxification” of NPR.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure how we change this situation. I tend to believe it will not change if we shut down BBQs or disengage. When I was younger and spoke rudely, I was corrected. Maybe that is the better course of action for us all; civil, polite and firm correction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com